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I agree, the issue was the driver of the z3, but even still the old z3's were an overly soft wollowy poser car for hair dressers and guys with more money than talent. Take BMW off the pedestal, not every BMW is a M3.
Also you are the one over your head, no one said changing tires and suspension was required for his second gen to not get in an accident. He wanted to make the car less vulnerable to wind and probably grooves in the road he is catching from having such a small track and wheel base. The first gen versa was similar in this regard. Once i changed rims to 7 inch wide motegi even sticking with 185's the problem was mostly eliminated. As far as body roll on first gen versa i never found it to be a problem with the progressive springs it came with, if you actually leaned on the suspension it firmed up and just gave you enough body moment to feel what the inertial transitions were doing and could plant and rotate the car basically any way you wanted. I would actually say the car was more fun with oe suspension, but for more pure grip driving the nismo s tune was better, particularly for tire wear.
Also gmansyz, coil-overs dont have to be super stiff, that is part of the reason people think that econo-boxes cant handle is because of people that immediately slam and brick the cars and think its supposed to make the car handle better... it doesn't. As far as going for a road setup, you go as soft as you can, but as stiff as you need to be. Body roll isnt always bad, just uncontrolled body roll. You want some body movement so the car is communicating what the weight transfers are doing so you can load tires correctly
"an economy car is SUPPOSED to do all things in general, you pick a more specific car when you specialize or you are incompetent doing the specialization."
No one said i was specializing at all, there in lies you biggest mistake thinking that tuning a car has to be an all or nothing affair, and in fact i made my car more generalized with my setup.
The slightly wider rims added more high speed stability as im not permanently riding in the worn grooves from normal track cars, tires and suspension added more grip and stability, and the short ram intake greatly evened out the throttle response and power band over more scenarios. When i got the car with the oe intake setup, the little air scoop while great for cross country highway millage, was awful for tooling around town, in fact i named my car Jan just so when i was tring to do 30 in town and the intake cought a wind gust and accelerated a few mph at same throttle i could say "stoooop it Jan..." The short ram i welded up actually cost me alittle power in some scenario's(high speed/low rpm) but gave me a meatier power band in most others.
But ignoring vulnerability to wind or ruts in road, back to adding mods to avoid crashes, is it necessary... no, chances are you wont need any more grip or agility than you car came with. However should the situation arise where you can use the extra grip/agility/braking to avoid hitting a kid running out in the road, or a deer, or a car slamming on the brakes on a highway ramp its nice to have it
I didnt specialize my car at all, its a better all arounder than it was stock.
I can load 500 pounds or tools(in my car right now, if i dont have my rear seats in i dont have to drive other people's kids around :P)
i can out grip, brake, agility a stock a stock 240/na 300zx(ive had both)
i can drive through a blizzard(did it last week)
Slamming/bricking your car isnt tuning to handle, its for looks. Dont think just because someone you know was bad at suspension tuning that a chassis youve tried cant handle, or that you always have to sacrifice everthing to be able ot handle. There are tradeoffs for sure, but if you do it rights they should be very minimal for what you gain