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post #1 of 108 Old 10-15-2015, 01:56 AM Thread Starter
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hr16de owners - must read

Hello everybody.
I am starting this thread since a lot of owners of hr16de cars (micra/march, versa sedan, tiida sedan and versa note) in south america, mexico and canada are having engine fault.
The fault is a rod knock since car is brand new, is not a sever red knock, only audible with warm engine and light throttle.
I will le you the steps to perform the rod knock test and videos showing the problem.

STEPS TO TEST THE KNOCK:
1) Car in Neutral With Park Brake On.
2) Start Car, idle to normal operating temperature ( 20 minutes).
3) Place smart phone/camera/audio recorder on ground under front bumper near oil pan, recording
4) Slowly press accelerator pedal to 2500 rpm and hold, then depress slightly until rpm drop to 1900, and then press again until 2500rpm.
5) Repeat step 4 a few 10-20 times, rpm increase and decrease must be very slow, with very light load on throttle.
6) share video/audio.

Official nissan explanation to this problem (in spanish, paper came out nissan factory in aguas calientes, mexico), it seays is a rod knock and repair procedure (replace pistons, rings, barings, rods, etc).


On canada forum, some people had their engines replaced and new engines are knocking again.
Also some cars knock since brand new (like mine, and other memebers) and another we think yes, but owners only noticed the knock after some mileage (because tends to get a little worse) and others because they saw post on forum, made the knock test, and found their engines were also knocking.
Some videos:
nissan march less than 1.000 km:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9cGXMIK7Yg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT27UoARszo

nissan micra less than 700km:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqaB2e6O2Lk

nissan versa note, 190 km:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIJDpwQFliE

nissan micra, 40k km (start video at 2.35):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK_gWgIciYE

nissan micra, 36k km (start video at 1.00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CrCV3ZvQAc

same micra with new engine, 1500km on new engine, nissan said new engine has to be replaced, as you can hear, it knocks a lot less than the old one, because knock becomes worse with mileage, start video at 5.40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5mZEzG5Mfc

micra 1200km:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avE8BEpBLVg

i know a guy in stataes that has his versa engine replaced at 35k due to the knock, and new engine started knocking again at 15k miles, the guy sold the car.
So plase perform the test, and share your experience.
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must be them new HR's because mine is rock solid! 2009 HR16DE no maintenance other than oil changes every 7500-10,000 miles. Of course now that I said that it will probably blow up.

But good post about the knock.
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15k miles on mine and time for an appointment for a tap that I'm hearing.
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must be them new HR's because mine is rock solid! 2009 HR16DE no maintenance other than oil changes every 7500-10,000 miles. Of course now that I said that it will probably blow up.

But good post about the knock.
is your engine made in mexico?? is the hr16de equipped with 8 or 4 injectors???

at present both versions of hr16de have the same knock, very simple explanation, the bottom end is the same on both.
The oldest models i am aware they have this problem are 2012 made in mexico.

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15k miles on mine and time for an appointment for a tap that I'm hearing.
have that noise checked at the dealer, you can also perform the knock test by yourself, is a very easy task

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I think I picked up this noise at start up while accelerating out of the driveway a few weeks ago. I will have to preform the test this weekend.
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Bumping this old post because it's very important.

I tested my 15 note at 5000 miles and it for sure had the knock. Very clearly could be heard as per the instructions.

According to the micraforums thread, a very large number of new versas will have this issue which can lead to a lot of headaches, poor power and gas mileage, and decreased engine life.

The diagnosis takes a while since the engine needs to be removed and Nissan is hassling people by trying to say the noise is normal. There's talk of class action lawsuits, since Nissan really doesn't want to completely replace every versa and micra engine made in the past few years.

For me, I wanted out before the resale value drops like a rock due to most versas having this problem. That and I didn't want to have the car stuck in pieces for monthss Nissan tries to get parts in, which they are "mysteriously" out stock on suddenly world wide. Aka, they aren't announcing a worldwide recall, but are using up the entire supply of parts in secret in an attempt to keep this out of the public eye. So I took the $2000 loss and traded it in towards a 16 fiesta st.

Word to the wise, do the test. If it sounds like it's knocking, get the ball rolling now because you don't want to wait until you're out of warranty.
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don't know what's worse, me being on my 3rd MR18DE with piston slap, or this rod knock business of the HR16DE!
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well, small update.
my micra is at the dealer, engine is fully disassembled and there is clear damage in crank and rod bearing at cylinder 2.
problem is as the tip in spanish says bad assembly between rod cap and rod, so you end up with a slight rod knock.
here i know of 2 engines that throw a rod, one was 30k km, the other around 60.
the owner of the second one reported that he sometimes felt an strange noise but since the car was runing strong did not complain.
car was 2 or 3 month out of warranty.
also in mexico there is another guy with a 2012 versa that throw the rod at 49900km, was 5 month out of warranty.
he had to wait almost 3 month for new short block(and he lives in mexico, where engine is built), during that time i sent him the technical tip i posted here, he showed the information to the dealer and after that he mysteriously received a 30% disscount in new short block and labour.
in my case i had to wait more than 3 month for new internals to arrive so i can have the engine repaired.
all has to be replaced, pistons, rod, bearings, crank, etc.
replacing the engine IS NOT AN OPTION because new engines are still being produced faulty, you can see at the micra forum of canada that many people had the engine replaced and knock is still there.
in my case i will sell the car ASAP no matter if i loose some money and get a proper 100% japanese built car, a zc32s swift sport.
i encourage all the members of this forum to perform the knock test on their engines, you will be amazed with the results.
of course this is my first and last nissan.

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according to my dealer (they are very aware of the piston slap issue in tiida) the problem was fixed in that engine using a new design of rod and piston, that design is used in the hr16.
i dont know if that is true or not.

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I'm not sure if my car is making it, I don't have that good of a mecanic's ear to notice, I have a 2014 V-Note SV that was bought in October 2013 and is now just over 55,000 miles.
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Mine seems fine, but I only got 47,000 on it. 2014 Versa Note, bought in April of '14


Is there anything I can do to prevent this, if I don't have the problem yet?

I'm well out of warranty. I had warranty work for leaking front timing cover.

Now I am concerned. Will drive it easier for sure.

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