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post #11 of 30 Old 03-03-2017, 09:48 PM
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Reallly?!?!?!? Well, I got a story for you. I changed the 25 year old power steering blob that was in place of the fluid in my 95 suzuki sidekick. Now the car steers with my pinky, its quieter and I got 10 more mpg per a gallon. The car is more zippy and doesnt take much throttle to zip up to speed or to maintain it like it use to. I flushed it twice and used prestone for honda vehicles.
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You lost me at the 10 mpg thing, sorry, I ceased to listen...................still luv ya though.

I've rebuilt hundreds of engines of all types and pretty much know what oil will or won't do. I break most of the conventional wisdom oil rules all day long. You realize of course PS has no real effect on engine performance at all unless turning right? Other than that the pump is bypassing to be unloaded pretty much 100% of the time. Meaning your claims are just that.....................

I've rebuilt racks, steering boxes and PS pumps too FYI.

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I know its pretty common for people to upgrade their kicks to a toyota pump. I think if they flushed it like I did they would be fine. The old fluid came out like a blob, red blob of jello. I went from 17 to 27 mpg. It had dropped, but I blamed the 3 sizes I went up in tire size.

Ive seen it myself, its hard to believe. I say the noises comes from using up the additives in the oil. I had a geo metro that was my project car. It burns a qt of oil every 300 miles or tank of gas. I use to drive from Richmond to VA Beach daily or 300 miles daily. Instead of changing the oil every 3500 miles I got to the point of just adding oil at every fill up. After a few months they engine started to develop all these extra knocks, taps and noises that sounded like it was toast.

Over the holiday weekend I visited a mechanic friend for a second opinion and possible engine swap from the junkyard. He suggested an oil change, so we went and got some and a filter. When we undid the drain plug the oil came out in slow motion like the engine was taking a crap. Near the end I saw chunks, floaters and sinkers.

Long story short when we started the car up when we were done it sounded like the happy 3 cylinder normally does.
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I've heard impossible stories like this most of my life while working on cars and bikes, what most fail to realize is that it's a instant intelligence rating tool of the highest order.

(sigh)

When you go up in tire size the rpm decreases from increased rollout, absolute mileage goes UP not down.

I see nothing happy about an engine that uses a quart of oil every tank of fuel. That's oil injection Bud.
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For all you people saying it doesn't work. Having better oils. I've been wrenching and changing my own oils before I was in jr high. I know oils can have effects on how cars run. My chevy Silverado SS runs best on mobil one. My 94 runner likes valvoline and my 11 Tacoma likes mobil one. I changed my oil at 4,02x when I switched to royal purple from Mobil one I know it ran better then the last time I did a oil change. Even pumped up my mpg from 32 to 33. The best I've ever gotten. Im sorry you don't think so but that's your opinion. Just the chain sounds so much better. Specially on start up. And me trumping my wallet out? It was $6 more then mobil one? How is that spending a lot? I feel that it is worth the extra $6.
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Im sorry you don't think so but that's your opinion.
Well... its your butt-dyno vs actual dyno testing.. and what you want to believe via marketing hype vs actual testing done by independent scientists... but sure, in the end its all just information that leads up to the formation of, yes, our individual opinions. Happy to agree to disagree.


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Just the chain sounds so much better.
You can/could hear the timing chain? Seriously what was in the engine beforehand? Actual mud? Crisco shortening with sand? You gotta be trollin, lol.

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As for you, @Cobb , you gotta clarify one thing for me because I'm just not sure I understood correctly... your metro burned or lost a quart of oil every tank of gas, and instead of doing oil changes you straight up quit changing the oil (and quit changing the filter) and then you just drove it to and fro for thousands of miles topping off the oil and never even swapping on a fresh filter? I think I know why the oil turned to sludge and why it started to knock

As far as the sidekick goes... if the pump drags that darn hard why isn't the popular mod to switch to manual steering rack? How did we even end up talking about power steering??

I think our whole train of conversation has been derailed fellas. Just to be clear, even though I am not on-board with all of your conclusions I still think you guys are great

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@amc49 , there's nothing more we can do here. Let em believe what they want to believe, it will all be alright
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Dude get lost. I'm not here to debate with you that royal purple doesn't work or not. I'm not claim I got more power or anything crazy. I'm telling you it sounds smoother and I can tell it runs better. You may have seen video proving what you believe but I've seen videos that prove your wrong. I dont want to see your bull shit. Go find someone else to annoy. And for the person that shared the versa book thank you. I'll be saving that for I don't have one.
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I thought you said oil and engine noises do not go hand in hand?

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As for you, @Cobb , you gotta clarify one thing for me because I'm just not sure I understood correctly... your metro burned a quart of oil every tank of gas, and instead of doing oil changes you straight up quit changing the oil (and quit changing the filter) and then you just drove it to and fro for thousands of miles topping off the oil and never even swapping on a fresh filter? I think I know why the oil turned to sludge and why it started to knock
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Well, we have certainly yanked the thread off topic.

Having said that I milked people like poster #15 for years for sales incentives when I was in parts. They believe what they will and a fake video is commonly the best way to convince them of a thing, never mind that a thinking person can commonly shred those same videos in a second. You simply play to those beliefs and lead them around like a dog on a leash. Better quality oil is good product but if the car runs on what is cheaper it's quite frankly stupid to use the higher priced product unless you have to have it for your head like a drug. Like running premium fuel on cars obviously designed to run on regular and thinking you are 'doing something'. You ARE, but it has nothing to do with a car. Why my favorite saying even now 40 years later is................................fix the driver first and fixing the car then becomes so much easier.

It is what it is.

I personally use product just good enough to do the job well. Anything more and you are wasting money along with the self bullsh-tting of yourself. I now use Walmart STRAIGHT 30 weight SuperTech conventional oil at $2.66 qt. At 9000 mile OCIs here in Texas. I make MONEY doing it like with everything else I do with a car. Can't kill them like that and no noises other than normal ones.

Look here. I raced American Motors cars back in the day, we had AMX street cars that ran in the tens through mufflers at 130 mph 1/4 mile and stomped the crap out of most 454 Camaros unless we built them. Also did lots of work on much faster cars from 800 hp. AMCs up to pro stock 700+ inch BBC 1500 hp. Camaros that ran 200 mph quarters. I KNOW what oil can do and not do. We had a garage/speedshop directly across from the local GM dealership and we gave those boys utter fits. Whenever one of our 390-401 inch cars went around one of their 454 inch ones in HIGH GEAR it caused plenty of trouble. Later on, most of the racers at the GM place let us build their 454s and they were coming out of my ears there for a long while. We built plenty of the other legendary domestic engines of the times as well.

Splitting hairs here. There can be ever so slight differences in noise but commonly it means the oil or whatever was dead and used too long. That's a DRIVER problem. As far as a view that simply changing from a good oil used to a new oil of still good brand, if you are hearing noise you got something wrong or are imagining it. Some can seem to change noises simply because most oil used now is too thin, and they got people trained again like dogs to both accept and demand that. I for one pretty much NEVER run a lighter weight at cold oil, at least as far as the current oil specs go now. Every person on the planet will argue with me over it but I know a couple things the rest of them apparently do not.

Look up start up wear at cold, what the oil world wants you to think is not quite true. If you want to argue about it, then spend a second giving some thought to why now all cars seem to have to have oil filters now with anti-drainback valves when further back in the past they were not needed virtually at all. Of course the oil companies will not mention a word about that, you're supposed to overlook it. Better left stupid you are...........
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I thought you said oil and engine noises do not go hand in hand?
Well okay lets just say they "shouldn't" go hand in hand, how about that? What I mean is oil should not be ran until it is so worn out and soiled that it begins to make an audible or perceptible difference in how the engine is running. Thats all I'm saying. My experience is most people with slightly older buggies don't realize their car uses oil and the reason its noisier by the time they get around to an oil change is because they are couple quarts low on fluid or more. I had to add almost four quarts to the daily driver of a family member just a couple weeks ago, in an engine that holds seven quarts... "Oh it sounds so much better now" well yeah, no dur, more than half your oil was gone! It did sound a lot better and it had nothing to do with the quality of the bargin-brand gas station oil we were dumping in.

Anyways...

Sorry for annoying you, Donavon, I should have known anyone sensitive enough to detect a .005% difference in the oil in their engine would be sensitive about pretty much anything else But no, for real, I'm glad you like your oil and that it works great for you. Sorry for picking on it, I'm not there and I don't get to hear what you hear out of your car or see what you see or feel.
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