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Another 2018 change: 0W-20 oil recommended

Now that the '18s are starting to hit the local dealer lots (and we'll start getting them at Hertz fairly soon), I took a gander at the '18 Versa owners manuals (both sedan and Note) last night and noticed something new: Nissan is now recommending 0W-20 oil.

I'm curious if they've made any big engine changes that called for the swap, because it seems to me that is quite a difference in viscosity.

Anyone here already using it? I might try it for my next change (due up @ 65K in February). Thoughts???
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I would prefer using 5W-30, as the thinner oil would protect less on start-up. My 2017 recommends using API SN 5W-30

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That's a shame. I read the 2018 Versa Note owner's manual and I saw the 0W-20 oil just as you did. It's the same engine model (HR16DE). Maybe Nissan switched to the thinner oil to increase EPA fuel economy ratings; the ratings went down slightly due to the new EPA testing procedures enacted in 2017, I believe, from 40 MPG highway to 39 MPH highway and from 35 MPG combined to 34 MPG combined for the CVT. Who knows, it could be due to the rod knock.

I read the 2017 Versa Note owner's manual as well and it still recommends 5W-30 so the change to 0W-20 is only for 2018. What a pain; my mom's 2016 Honda Accord requires 0W-20 oil and conventional oil is unavailable in 0W-20. She has to buy synthetic oil and the oil change shops charge an arm and a leg for synthetic oil changes. I hope to change the oil for her car myself next time to save her some money.

EDIT: FuelEconomy.gov shows that the 2018 CVT has the same fuel economy ratings as the 2017 CVT (31/39/34) so the switch to 0W-20 didn't help in that regard.

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That's a shame. I read the 2018 Versa Note owner's manual and I saw the 0W-20 oil just as you did. It's the same engine model (HR16DE).

I read the 2017 Versa Note owner's manual as well and it still recommends 5W-30 so the change to 0W-20 is only for 2018. What a pain;
Please correct me if I am wrong, but if it is the same engine, you can still use 5w-30 for 2018 Versa and ignore the "politically correct" OEM recommendation.
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I would prefer using 5W-30, as the thinner oil would protect less on start-up.
Actually, it is another way around. The thinner oil protects MORE on start-up. That is why multi-grade oils are used. For example, 5w-30 oil has lower viscosity 5w when cold (on start-up) and 30w at operating temperature after it warms up. It is specially designed to better protect engine on start-up.

The same reason why previously OEMs recommended to use 10w-30 for summer and 5w-30 for winter, for better engine protection on start-up at lower temps. Later when engine tolerances decreased and request for fuel efficiency increased, they started to recommend 5w-30 all year around.
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Ive wondered that myself. The scion I owned and honda required 0w20 but this car takes regular old 5w20. The other cars had yearly ten thousand mile oil changes, the V its back to every 3 thousand miles.

Ive put 5w20 in my other cars when I couldnt find 0w20 and I didnt notice any mpg difference, but it was still a pure synthetic oil.

I just assumed the varable valve tech in the V is like that of BMW which requires frequent oil changes as crap in the oil can screw it up. Ive read the nissan valve tech is a knock off of the varable lift, but any more info is hard to find other than it uses plastic parts.

On hondas the vtec is oil psi depended and dirty oil will clog up the vtec filter and cause an error or low oil psi light when you exceed the rpm to trigger vtec.
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I will send an e-mail to Nissan USA to confirm if the 0W-20 recommendation for 2018 is correct and, if yes, if 2012-2017 sedans and 2014-2017 Versa Notes can use 0W-20 also.

As for the oil change intervals, it is once every 5,000 miles or 6 months, whichever occurs sooner, per my owner's manual so I assume it's also for 2012-present sedans and 2014-present Versa Notes, although I'll go 10,000 miles or 12 months if I'm using synthetic oil.

I sure wish the oil change intervals were longer. My wife's Kia Soul can go 7,500 miles or 12 months. My dad's 2003 Honda Accord could go 10,000 miles until the first oil change and then 7,500 miles after that.

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https://cdn.dealereprocess.net/cdn/s...2016-versa.pdf

I was going to tell you, you are WRONG, but I cant find the miles in the owners manual. I think my car came with a sheet of paper that for the lifetime engine and power train warranty offered by the dealer I will have it serviced like every 3 months or 3,333 miles. I asked the service dept and they said twice a year or 5 thousand miles.

Although both seem excessive I will admit the oil in this car "looks" dirty sooner than the other vehicles that used 0w20 oil and had a yearly oil change requirement. Of course looks doesnt necessarily tell the whole story vs an oil analysis, but since I get lifetime free oil changes who am I to complain?

When it comes to oil you got 2 issues. 1, the oil filter gets full so unfiltered oil circulates around the engine. 2, you use up the additives in the oil and excessive wear for certain parts starts. When this happens you hear extra knocks, ticks, etc you didnt hear before. I hear this on the other cars and always changed the oil in them sooner than recommended. The filter one is hard to judge unless you use a wireless temp meter. A cool filter is full of crap and your oil is being bypassed.
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The owner's manual at the site you provided does not have the maintenance schedule. There is a separate maintenance schedule PDF. Nissan USA has owner's manuals and maintenance schedules on their website. For 2016 and prior, the maintenance schedule is a separate booklet and PDF from the owner's manual. For 2017 and 2018, the maintenance schedule is included in Section 8 of the owner's manual so that they are combined into one booklet/PDF.

https://owners.nissanusa.com/nowners...n/manualsGuide

Versa sedans owner's manuals and maintenance schedules are available on Nissan USA's website for 2013-2018 (Versa Notes are available for 2014-2018).

One funny thing is that the 2013 Versa sedan's maintenance schedule recommends oil changes at 3,750 miles or 3 months under severe conditions and at 7,500 miles or 6 months under standard/normal conditions. 2014-2018 Versa sedans and Notes recommend 5,000 miles or 6 month for standard conditions; there is no mention of oil changes under severe conditions so the oil change intervals are the same for both standard and severe conditions.

Let's take a 2016 Versa sedan. Page 18 of the maintenance schedule PDF states that oil changes are at 5,000 miles or 6 months under standard conditions ("Standard Maintenance"). There is a section in Page 18 for severe operating conditions but this does not mention oil changes so the oil change intervals are the same regardless of standard conditions or severe conditions.

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Now that the '18s are starting to hit the local dealer lots (and we'll start getting them at Hertz fairly soon), I took a gander at the '18 Versa owners manuals (both sedan and Note) last night and noticed something new: Nissan is now recommending 0W-20 oil.

I'm curious if they've made any big engine changes that called for the swap, because it seems to me that is quite a difference in viscosity.

Anyone here already using it? I might try it for my next change (due up @ 65K in February). Thoughts???
I dont think its too big a deal, but I personaly wouldnt use 0w-20, now if you live where it is colder more often i suppose it would be fine, since its the same HR16DE motor though i would use 5w-30, full syn if you would like, heck use 0w-30 would even be better...
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