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5 speed to 6 speed

I have seen some of the juke 6 speed going kinda of cheap on ebay and i was wonder does it just bolt right in? My versa is a 2016.
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You would be a hero and a scholar if you tried it and posted pictures.
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I guess ill have to tread those water then. Once my warranty is up ill take a stab at it and post what I find.
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The '16 Versa uses a HR16 engine. The Juke is the MR16DDT, no exact pics yet to compare but looking at some service manual line work pics say the bellhousing area is different on the engines, trans won't fit. The starter area for sure is different, the starters are too. The 6 speed only came on the MR motor.

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That leades me to a new question can the bell housing be swapped or just change the starter out cause from what i found (going by ebay pictures but to be fair i haven't see both transmission from the same point of veiw) they seam identical (minus what you have pointed out about bell housing) . Plus just looking at cv axles they are both 26 spline.
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Bellhousings typically do not come separate now like in the old days, they are one piece with the trans cases in everything I pretty much know of unless some US iron still does it.

The starters do not interchange, they have different castings and one is 3 bolt and the other 2, the patterns there are different too.
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Ok good to know on the starters. But i have a few more questions.

According to this site http://mywikimotors.com/hr16de/
The hr16 is the same as the mr20de which technically makes it part of the mr family (i know its a wiki site but please bare with me)

I went on ebay and looked up some transmissions to compare to current patterns. (Ill post links with the picture mainly in quetion) but that got me thinking most of the CVTs are the same so if that bolt pattern goes from engine to engine (and going by the wiki site it fits the mr20) that would mean the 6 and 5 speed have the same bolt pattern as a CVT minis the starter (to be fair not sure about motor/trans mounts either). I also understand iam eyeballing it so it could all be off by just a hair and not fit but i figure why would nissan spend so much money to make it different. Anyway please have a look for your self and let me know what you think.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-2012-N...AAAOSwfEVazSMz

This trans in pic 1 has that curve like the 6 speed but its a 5 speed. However the cv axle is diffrent (maby swap with a cube cv).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Nissan...ry!85614!US!-1

This 1 in pic 4 it looks like the bell housing does come off but not sure.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2017-N...oAAOSwu~5brUIc

Most detail versa 5 speed (fits my year).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissan-Vers...EAAOSwoAVbYLqj

Just 1 with CVT showing bolt pattern.
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The HR motor is nowhere near the same as MR, you made the MR16DE have no reason to exist. The front of block and left side are totally different on the two engine types. Meaning that website is incompetent. Anybody surprised at that?

'most of the CVTs are the same so if that bolt pattern goes from engine to engine (and going by the wiki site it fits the mr20) that would mean the 6 and 5 speed have the same bolt pattern as a CVT ...'

Most of the CVTs are NOT the same. The last picced one doesn't even have a starter niche as the starter bolts into the trans case instead.

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Go to your last link (CVT) and use the SECOND pic instead of the first and then compare to Juke boxes. The Juke trans uses top bolt holes far further out on the bolt circle and even the second pic mentioned clearly shows the Versa CVT trans does not go out as far and one side is lopsided instead of even.

Even worse though is the starter mounting hole on the Versa CVT trans, you don't have it at all on the Juke trans, that one mounts to the engine block. Clearly the CVT and MTX are not the same bolt pattern if the next to last link is correct. The MTX shown there may well be much closer to a Juke.

Just comparing your next to the last and last link pics has the transmissions with wildly different bolt patterns, and on only one car type.

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And those wild different bolt patterns is what has me intrigued. I purposely left out that were the axles goes MT is different it is basiclly flush the CVT has a weird axle area. Something else i have found is there are holes were the tcase or axle suport goes but is unused on the versa. Idk if that something for me to go look into or not with other dead holes so to speak. But something else just hit me what is the ratios of the 5 vs 6? I cant find anything on that (other than the nismo vs nismo rs final gear only)
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