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westrock 03-06-2012 05:16 AM

Fuel Pump / Fuel Pump Relay / Fuel Pressure Regulator / IPDM Trouble Shooting
 
The fuel pump completly died and I had to replace it. Heres some of the trouble shooting I went through.

For reference, here are the costs of some of the parts:

17040-9EG0B Fuel Pump Assembly $340
17342-EM30A Packing-Fuel Guage (big O-ring for the fuel pump assembly) $37 (not required, your choice if you need or not)
22670-ZR70C Fuel Pressure Regulator $28 (included on new fuel pump assembly)
284B7-EM33A IPDM (the relay and fuse box) $300

The fuel pump, pressure regulator and IPDM are all known to be issues, the pump and regulator more so. See this thread for info on pressure regulator service bulletin.

What happened to us was that the car died. Upon trying to restart, it would get a cylinder fire here and there, but the more we tried to start the less frequent it would happen until after about 6 tries starting it just wouldn't do anything. So this led me to believe that there was some fuel in the line at first, but as I tried to start it the fuel eventually ran out.

I checked to make sure the fuel pump was priming when you first turn the key (but don't try to start it). But this is where I got tricked. There is something in the engine bay that also primes when you first turn the key on. You need to actually get down near the fuel pump to verify.

To get to the fuel pump, just yank the rear seat up. It has clips that hold it to the base. Push all the seat belt latches through the holes. You will need to unbolt the middle lap belt and feed it through the hole.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...a_seatbelt.jpg

Once you have the middle belt free, a trick I do with seat belts is to put a zip tie around them near the retractor. This way the belt doesn't fully retract and then you have to fight the auto lock.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...elt_retain.jpg

I also took this oppurtunity to wash the rear seat base since they had some kid stains on them and was free from the car. I just used a water hose, laundry detergant and a plastic bristle brush. The seats dried after about 2 days and stains were gone.

You should now see the fuel pump cover. Simply twist the 3 plastic locks and the cover will be free.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...pump_cover.jpg

You now have access to the fuel pump.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...ver_remove.jpg

Now you can listen to see if it primes. You can also test that its actually pushing fuel out. To get the fuel line off, push the tabs on the little white plastic seal and pull the black hose part back. I hooked a piece of hose to the outlet of the fuel pump and then stuck the line into a water bottle. Turn the key on and see if any fuel comes out. The fuel pump only pumps for a second so you won't unload your fuel tank into the water bottle. Be sure to put some rags under there incase the line is pressurized (it should in normal situation). And make sure your in a well ventilated area (garage door open).

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue..._fuel_line.jpg

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...ine_output.jpg

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue..._fuel_line.jpg

If you have a little bit of pressure, then you might have a bad pressure regulator. It is on the fuel pump and the fuel pump will need to be removed. See further down on how to do that.

If the fuel pump doesn't prime then you have either an issue with the IPDM, the wire harness or the fuel pump.

The IPDM (Intelligent Power Distribution Module) is located in the engine bay. It is a flat black thing in the driver side fender well by the battery. It has 4 clips. You pull the "lid" off and turn it over to see all the fuses and relays. For some lovely reason the owners manual makes no mention of this module, yet it has the fuses in it that are most likely to leave you stranded. Verify which version/shape IPDM you have.

There is a fuse that can be inspected. The fuses are labeled on the under side of the IPDM cover. The relays are not labeled, but it doesn't matter. There is a fuel pump relay in the IPDM, but it is internal and not user servicable.

Since the fuel pump and IPDM are both expensive we don't want to guess. So first trouble shoot the IPDM. Verify the fuse for the fuel pump is ok. Depending on which design you have locate pins 1 and 36, these are the 2 we will care about. Pin 36 is brown colored and indicated by the IPMD schematic. Use a multimeter with sharp points on the leads and stick the black lead against some bare metal on the car (I used the battery tray). Then stick the red lead inside the wire harness. You want to cram the needle part of the lead next to the wire so that way the lead is touching the metal pin up inside the harness. Stick the multimeter up on the cowl (in front of the windshield). Set it DC mode and turn the key, but don't try to start it. Pin 1 should have a constant 11-12 volts. Next check pin 36, you should see the multimeter jump to 11-12 volts for just a second and then quickly start going down. This is the voltage used to prime the fuel line, it just turns the pump on for a second.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...versa_ipdm.jpg

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fuel_pump/ipdm_a.gif

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fuel_pump/ipdm_b.gif

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue.../fuel_pump.gif

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue.../pinout_36.gif

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...meter_ipdm.jpg

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...eter_meter.jpg



If the IPDM passed inspection then next move to the harness at the fuel pump. The same brown wire is what has the voltage. Stick your multimeter red lead into the harness pin, and the black against some metal point around the fuel pump cover (or use the thread from where you took out the seat belt). This is where my test ended. Had the short 12V burst at the harness. So the fuel pump was now the end of the line. Replaced fuel pump and car started right up.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...brown_wire.jpg

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...el_harness.jpg

To get the fuel pump out you need to rent a tool from Autozone. Don't try to use a hammer and screwdriver or chisel. You will need WAY more leverage then that. You can stick a cap over nipple just to keep the fumes and loose fuel to a minimum. Oh and your fuel pump will probably be filthy. This access port opens to outside, mine was filthy. This is after some heavy windex and rags. Which I would recommend when working around the fuel pump just to keep particles from getting in the fuel tank.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...l_pump_cap.jpg

The tool to rent from autozone is part number 27160, called "Fuel Pump Replacement Kit". Its $90 to rent it, which you get fully refunded when you return it. Use the tool circled in yellow. Adjust the metal legs to push against a tab on each side. The square hole in the top bar is for a 3/8" socket wrench. We used a 2 foot long 1/2" breaker bar with a 3/8" adaptor and it took some incredible force to get the lock ring off. We ended up bending most of the tabs, and then just straightened them out afterwards. Going back on you won't bend anything as you will be pushing on the back of the tabs which are stronger.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...ump_wrench.jpg

Brand new fuel pump in place.

http://www.carbide-red.com/versa/fue...l_pump_new.jpg

Hope this is helpfull is fixing your piece of crap Versa. 3 years old with 83K miles and new engine and fuel pump already.

MuzzleNChains 03-06-2012 05:41 AM

Very nice write up. Congrats!

athikerguy4life 03-06-2012 09:41 AM

Thanks for the write-up. And it is ridiculous. My car has 36k and I have to get the fpr replaced..

08versailles 03-06-2012 01:00 PM

very nicely detailed write up! two thumbs up!

iluvmyVersa08 03-06-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by athikerguy4life (Post 53569)
Thanks for the write-up. And it is ridiculous. My car has 36k and I have to get the fpr replaced..

I have had mine replaced twice so far in 4 years of ownership, 62k. Both times replaced under warranty though :) Glad I extended it.




westrock 03-06-2012 02:29 PM

It looks like it could use an off the shelf Walbro inside the fuel pump assembly, but upon quick inspection I wasn't able to get the 2 halves of the assembly apart.

BluV3R18 03-17-2012 07:34 AM

that is a VERY VERY good write-up

We appreciate your help, I will add this to my favorites.

about how long does it take to replace the pump based on the hour labor book?

westrock 03-17-2012 10:01 AM

If i had new fuel pump ready to go and the correct locking ring tool, i could probably do it in 30 minutes the 2nd time around.

weekend_warrior 12-11-2013 10:07 PM

Great detailed write up.

She has a 2008 versa S. It just cracked 100K. Very little has been done to it me chancily other than oil and gas in that 100K.

My wife's car has been acting up taking a long time to cranking then ignition. I was thinking of replacing the fuel pump regulator. I've heard that this can cause the type issues and has seen a video on youtube outlining the replacement for just that piece. Again, her car runs, but occasionally has issues. I don't want to have my wife left on the side of the road. Do you see a need to replace the gasket to remove and replace the pump. I will be renting the tool from AutoZone. For 28 bucks it's cheap. Not sure I'd want to throw 300 at a new pump if this is fine or its just a cheap regular.

Any suggestions?


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