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post #1 of 16 Old 10-25-2016, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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2016 Versa Note CVT whine normal?

The car has around 700 miles and it whines during what is equivalent to 2-3rd gear on an ordinary automatic. Sounds like "wheeeee-ooooh'. Lasts for around 5-6 seconds during acceleration. It did not make this sound the first 100-200 miles. Otherwise there is no persistent whine or continuous whine at any speed, only during this short period during acceleration. Is this normal?
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The duration of the sound you describe is a little concerning. My 15 sedan makes a similar noise only not 5-6 seconds. I'm guessing your probably OK..
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The car has around 700 miles and it whines during what is equivalent to 2-3rd gear on an ordinary automatic. Sounds like "wheeeee-ooooh'. Lasts for around 5-6 seconds during acceleration. It did not make this sound the first 100-200 miles. Otherwise there is no persistent whine or continuous whine at any speed, only during this short period during acceleration. Is this normal?
See if you can get the dealer to swap you out for one that doesn't make that noise. 2014 Versa SL with CVT here, we just had our CVT swapped out at 45,000 miles under warranty. I wrote Nissan a letter I will mail this weekend that they need to up the power train warranty on their cars to 100,000 miles. Ours started acting "funny" at around the 3,000 mile mark after the first oil change at the dealership and was never the same since. The odd behaviors were "normal" according to the dealership until they no longer were, such as a substantial loss of power at highway speeds. If our first CVT lasted 45,000 miles, we'll be sure to get rid of ours before it hits the 70,000 mile mark just for some room for margin.
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<our first CVT lasted 45,000 miles, we'll be sure to get rid of ours before it hits the 70,000 ...>

Lots of people are getting burned by Nissan's CVTs. But, new buyers keep lining up, unaware of what lies ahead.
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Well you know, I dumped a 2000 Honda Accord with V-6 for my 2016 Nissan Note. The Honda camp likes to badmouth Nissans for the CVT fiasco, but Hondas have their share of tranny problems with their constant mesh trannies. Same deal as the CVTs, having to pay $3000-4500 for a tranny replacement. One well known Honda repair shop in town told me even the new Hondas have tranny problems. The tranny in the Accord I had would not shift into D unless the engine was warmed up, so it was on it's last legs. I am an old school hot rodder so I've built race engines and take pride in rebuilding automatic trannies. I've done a Ford AOD and most recently, the tranny in the Honda - just for fun. Got a core out of a wreck. As I ended up getting rid of the Honda, I also dumped the tranny I had rebuilt, because I had done all the clutches and beefed up the valve body, but it was in pieces so hard to sell the thing. And if you're asking, I have no desire to rebuild a CVT. Besides, as I understand it, Nissan claims it can't be rebuilt satisfactorily by anybody else but the factory .

My car is a 2016 and isn't it supposed to have the 3rd generation CVT??? You'd think they would have fixed the problems by now. Right now it has 800+ miles. But I do plan to make an appointment to have it checked out.

Actually I was living in Japan for a couple of years, that is why I bought a Note, because I drove a couple as rental cars. The ones in Japan are solid cars with very good build quality. They are quiet, and if you don't watch the speedometer, you are cruising at 100 KPH in no time at all. Unfortunately, that is not the case with the U.S. model, as I found out it's made in Mexico. I have not heard of the tranny problems in Japan.

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<Besides, as I understand it, Nissan claims it can't be rebuilt satisfactorily by anybody else but the factory .>

Yeah, dealer techs here are not allowed to open up/repair (discouraged). They have certain tests to perform. A dedicated call center # to call. Then get permission to replace (or order the replacement).

<You'd think they would have fixed the problems by now. Right now it has 800+ miles. But I do plan to make an appointment to have it checked out.>

Yes, some have failed as early 800 miles.

<U.S. model, as I found out it's made in Mexico. I have not heard of the tranny problems in Japan. >

That's good to hear about the Japan models.

<One well known Honda repair shop in town told me even the new Hondas have tranny problems>

Taking note.
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So, on the Nissan Leaf forum I frequent, I had made mention of the Versa CVT issue, and this guy was talking about his battery replacement on his Leaf.. This is what he said:
"Off topic, but:
My dealer allowed me to take pictures of the replacement battery pack for my 2012 Leaf. It was stored among dozens of black tote bins - all looking the same. I asked "what are all these" - the answer - failed CVT transmissions! You might want to check on any "class actions" with these transmissions."

So, dozens of CVT transmissions piled up at a Nissan dealership to send back to HQ. Sounds pretty endemic!
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<... dozens of CVT transmissions piled up at a Nissan dealership to send back to HQ. Sounds pretty endemic ...>

Yes, it is.

Replacement CVTs and failed CVTs stacked at the dealers, across the models.

Prospective new owners would be wise to "take that walk" at the dealers - beforehand, and then leave, or get a MT.

It's easy to go see for themselves.

It's quite a sight.

Next time you're at the dealer, go check "your" stacks.

Oh, and they're not going back to HQ, though. HQ is in Franklin, TN. Multi-story building with solar charging stations outside for a few Leafs.
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Well I took the car in for a service check yesterday and the Nissan dealer ran a couple of diagnostic checks. They told me there is a service bulletin out (could not find it by Googling) about the CVT noise - not sure this is in regard to the 3rd generation CVTs like in my 2016. Anyway, since I am not getting any service codes, they told me the noise is normal.

Over the weekend, I was in a hardware store parking lot and a man was asking me how I liked the car, as he had the exact same car. He just bought his Note last month, and told me about the whining noise. He said he took it in for a service check and they told him the same thing: the noise is normal.

I sure wish Nissan would double the warrantee to 7 years and 100,000 miles like they did with the pre-2010 cars. Having to sell off the car at the present 60,000 warrantee threshold is not getting much use out of the car. I can imagine a situation past 60,000 miles when the tranny fails, and you pay $4,000 out-of-pocket to have it repaired. Depending on the year, you might only get $8k for the car selling it used, and subtract the $4K you paid to fix the tranny and you only end up with $4K.

BTW, the service rep at Nissan told me all you hear is the tranny problems with Nissans, but Hondas have the same problem (as I mentioned earlier). At least it is possible to rebuild the constant mesh trannies in the Hondas yourself if you have the tools, proclivity, and patience for rebuilding automatic transmissions. Better get a bunch of gear pullers though. The CVTs are such tiny things, I don't see why Nissan says it can't be done better by a non-pro with dream tools (like digital precision measuring instruments) and perhaps aftermarket kits by Sonnax to address design flaws. I mean on the Honda tranny I rebuilt, I installed a Sonnax valve body kit to improve durability and address shortcomings with the tranny. I also installed Alto Red clutch discs (mainly because the Raybestos ones must have been counterfeit and wouldn't give me the proper clearances). I also did some minor deburring and stress relieving on the case. Again, I have experience building and blueprinting race motors and I used to port my own cylinder heads, and my philosophy is you gotta do it yourself to do it right. With the pros, time is money and they have to crank out repairs to maximize profits, which means they don't always torque every bolt to specs, and they use cheap tranny rebuild kits.

It looks like at this point, Toyotas are your best bet for avoiding tranny problems, except the Yaris, the equivalent of the Versa Note, is such an expensive car.
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I did a quick Google and there is one video on rebuilding a Nissan CVT however at 12-13' long, can't be very involved. I was not able to view it at work. But apparently you can buy CVT rebuild kits but they are rather expensive (up to $400), considering not a lot of parts are involved compared to other automatic trannies, due to the simple design of the CVT. Another problem is that parts (like the metal belts) must be obtained from the dealer, which drive costs up. And look here, Sonnax does make valve body components to address problems with this tranny:

http://d2q1ebiag300ih.cloudfront.net...f?v=1458057917

There are also a couple of threads on the web of guys who have rebuilt their own CVTs. Problem is there are no established specialty tools available yet so one must jury rig spring compressors to work, which is always a PITA.

If I plan on keeping the car, I might do what I did with the Honda and buy a core out of a wreck, and play around rebuilding it. It's best to buy a core out of a wreck which was totaled (like serious front end damage), to ensure the engine/tranny was in running condition. Buying an already fried CVT will cost too much to rebuild due to the exhorbitant replacement parts from Nissan.
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