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post #1 of 27 Old 06-05-2017, 01:07 PM Thread Starter
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Steering wobble

Hi...I'm new here and hoping that I am posting in the right section.

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When driving, when I turn the steering wheel slightly to the left or right I get a distinct wobble (or rocking back and forth) of the steering wheel. The faster I am going, the more noticeable it is. This does not happen when I am stopped at a light. The wobble happens for about a second and then is fine as I continue to turn the steering wheel. It happens again as the steering wheel return to center. Here is what I have done to troubleshoot...

* New rotors and pads.
* New tires
- both tried static and dynamic (road force) balancing
* different rims

I am at a loss....I am also experiencing a whole car shake at hwy speeds which does not get better (happened with old tires & new tires...Old rims and winter steel rims). I have not tried an alignment, as I really have doubts that an alignment would fix the wobble. Anyways, I am at a loss here. Any suggestions?
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hmmmmm, the whole car shakes on the highway and there is a steering wheel shudder when turning... but the tires and rims and rotors are eliminated from the suspects list... I'm not sure. I have never had a CV joint fail on me, so I don't have any personal experience to say whether a bad CV could match your car's symptoms but its pretty much the only spinning parts left in the drivetrain that you haven't investigated. If you can (safely) reach around your front tires and get ahold of the axle, you can try to move it around and you should not really have any movement or play from it. Would be easier to do with the front lifted on jackstands and the tires off. Could also then inspect the CV boots for damage.

If the CV joints are not bad, perhaps an engine or transmission mount is failed somewhere? Or some part of your suspension is damaged and not running straight and true? Not sure, just throwing shots in the dark here.
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Thanks...The dealership told me that all suspension parts were in tact and functioning properly. The CV boots are both intact, but I haven't checked for any play in the wheels.

I did not think of engine or transmission mounts. The car doesn't make any clunking sounds on acceleration, turning or going over any bumps. The car does make a very quick squeal when I start it, but it has always done that.

I was wondering if perhaps there may be an issue with the Electric Power Steering...The PS light is not illuminated so not sure, just throwing darts in the dark.

Both rear bushings do need replaced, but was told that this would not be the cause of the steering wheel wobble or the car shimmy. The dealership is at a loss (although they keep coming up with possible solutions...Read: $$$ out of my pocket).
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At this point I would give up on that dealership and try to find an independent good and experienced mechanic.
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That's the thing...I've been to two different dealerships (the first one told me it was the tires...Recommended I get new ones. The second one kept telling me they don't notice anything when they test drive it). With regards to bringing it to an independent mechanic, I'm afraid they'll just start from the beginning. IE: wheel balance, rotors, etc...The one independent I went to basically said that it was balancing and since I didn't have it balanced there, they need to balance the tires themselves before continuing to trouble shoot. I've already spent lots of $$'s balancing the tires. The other issue I have is their knowledge of Electronic Power steering systems that the Versa has. Because if by chance there is a problem with it, would they know how to properly diagnose and fix the problem?
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Well, about troubleshooting electrical PS:

My other car is Yaris hatch with electrical PS, bought new. In the beginning the steering was extra easy, kind of touchy at highway speed. So I found out it was just a fuse for it. So I pulled it out. It was as if I was back at manual steering, like in old cars. It was good at high speed, but very difficult at slow speed. So I put the fuse back.

I did not research for Versa, but maybe it is also just to pull out a fuse to disable the electrical PS. It may be tough at slow speed, but at least you could see if your trouble is linked to electrical PS, and zero in or rule it out.
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Cool...Thanks for the advice. Definitely something to consider.
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Strut top hats. Top strut mounts. Whatever you want to call them. The bearings get bad over time and start to bind the spring when it turns.

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Well, about troubleshooting electrical PS:

My other car is Yaris hatch with electrical PS, bought new. In the beginning the steering was extra easy, kind of touchy at highway speed. So I found out it was just a fuse for it. So I pulled it out. It was as if I was back at manual steering, like in old cars. It was good at high speed, but very difficult at slow speed. So I put the fuse back.

I did not research for Versa, but maybe it is also just to pull out a fuse to disable the electrical PS. It may be tough at slow speed, but at least you could see if your trouble is linked to electrical PS, and zero in or rule it out.

Interesting! I am not a fan of the EPS assist at highway speed either, but you give me an idea. I wonder if a guy were to pull the PS fuse (still assuming there is one for the Versa) and install some wires instead with both the fuse and a switch in-line of that circuit... if we couldn't then give ourselves a toggle switch to enable/disable EPS assist and then we could turn it on at low speeds and off at high speeds!

Or if you wanted to be really fancy, have an arduino nano in charge of a relay, and have it monitoring the VSS (vehicle speed signal) line that runs into the back of the radio for SSV (speed sensitive volume) and then give the arduino some parameters such that it will automatically enable EPS at low speeds and disable it at high speeds

I suppose the problems with this are
1) would likely trigger a PS warning light on the dash
2) would probably create warranty issues at the dealer
3) would most likely create legal issues if you were to cause a crash and have the device discovered...

But think of the benefits... the steering wheel might actually have some feel to it on the open highway instead of being so numb and wandery!

Anyways... not to highjack the thread, sorry
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OK....I've ran an alignment machine for awhile....the problem is not enough +caster. Increase caster and the car handles like a dream.....getting your dealer to fix a factory F**K-up is another matter. Wish ya luck...
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