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Sealed Transmission

I asked my salesman the other day when do you have to change the transmission fluid for my CVT 2018 Versa. He said I never have to change it because it is a sealed transmission. Is this true?
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A lie. It changes around 60,000 miles. Check the maintenance book. Those salespeople are so full of crap.

While all transmissions are sealed, they DO lose small amounts of fluid over time by slinging it out as mist past the seals. Why you hardly ever see a dead bone dry transmission. As well, all mechanical contrivances put wear particles into their operating fluid, impossible not to. You change fluid to get clean fluid into trans and the worn metal out. Only an idiot would suggest that a transmission is lubed forever, it is again impossible.

And if an axle seal goes bad, you can lose all of the fluid in a whopping hurry. Not common but it does happen. Same with the front seal inside, it goes bad on a few too.

Likely that you have no dipstick to even check the fluid level, Nissan has removed most of them. It sells more cars when the fluid gets low and the transmission burns up. Great idea, Nissan.

What does one expect in a new Trump world, there is no truth at all and the lemmings love it.
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From the 2018 owners manual.

Chart says to inspect the CVT fluid every 10,000 miles and...

(2) If towing a trailer, using a camper or a car-top carrier or driving on rough or muddy roads ,inspect CVT fluid deterioration at NISSAN dealers every 60,000 miles (96,000km), then change the fluid if necessary. And if the inspection is not performed, change (not just inspect) CVT fluid every 60 ,000miles (96,000km).

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A lie. It changes around 60,000 miles. Check the maintenance book. Those salespeople are so full of crap.

While all transmissions are sealed, they DO lose small amounts of fluid over time by slinging it out as mist past the seals. Why you hardly ever see a dead bone dry transmission. As well, all mechanical contrivances put wear particles into their operating fluid, impossible not to. You change fluid to get clean fluid into trans and the worn metal out. Only an idiot would suggest that a transmission is lubed forever, it is again impossible.

And if an axle seal goes bad, you can lose all of the fluid in a whopping hurry. Not common but it does happen. Same with the front seal inside, it goes bad on a few too.

Likely that you have no dipstick to even check the fluid level, Nissan has removed most of them. It sells more cars when the fluid gets low and the transmission burns up. Great idea, Nissan.

What does one expect in a new Trump world, there is no truth at all and the lemmings love it.
True, salesmen are generally uninformed from any sort of maintenance or mechanical know how. Anything to sell a car and hit those numbers! haha

amc is correct. They might be sealed but still need servicing specifically if the transmission was abused and the fluid is burnt and lacking any sort of protection properties it once had.

Most transmissions have a vent tube to allow pressure from heat build up to escape. If the vent is clogged, then this is when the pressure builds up enough to allow the fluid to push past the seals. It is always entertaining to see people drive through deep water and not sustain engine damage, but then wonder why their transmission is toast a few days or weeks later from water entering the vent tube. In any event, my theory regarding the sealed transmission is really an attempt to push out most of the smaller independent shops that don't have access or ability to check fluids without a dipstick or a crazy expensive scan tool. We were a corporate owned repair shop and would not work on any sealed transmissions or vehicles that didn't have a dipstick for the oil. The liability was far too great to trust a hourly guy to guess on an oil change or even an experienced tech to grenade a $5k transmission. After 100k miles and the car being out of warranty, its an easy money maker for the dealer to swap in a new transmission.

Not sure what Trump has to do with a sealed transmission or car salesman...


It is interested that the 2018 talks about towing a trailer. On my 2012 sedan, it states IIRC that installing a hitch on the vehicle voids that warranty completely. They must have figured out and improved the CVT's substantially.
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Thanks all. I figured he was full of crap!
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Not sure what Trump has to do with a sealed transmission or car salesman...
Consider it just a hard-on for Trump...
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Trump effect...........truth is not truth.............believe ME not them.

Trailer?

'It is interested that the 2018 talks about towing a trailer.'

Many OEMs dropped talk of towing after many long years of saying not to do it with smaller 4 cylinder cars, they often do not have the torque to safely tow. After marketing depts. realizing that they were missing a lick there at selling new cars (because suddenly you can tow, albeit dangerously) they went back to either saying you can or not mentioning it at all to create plausible deniability. They have to when the competition does even if they know it can damage the cars.

Just like going from no mention of ever changing trans fluid to then bringing the subject back up, it is a constant war between those who want the cars to seem unbreakable and those who want to include fuller info to make customers more aware of the hazards. Companies internally argue about that stuff endlessly over the boardroom tables.

Like here, you are supposed to 'inspect' the fluid but how to do with no dipstick? A direct push to go to the dealers and why it's that way. More corporate mindgames, and all tilted at making more money.

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Even though it mentions towing a trailer in the maintenance section the owners manual in another section states "Do not tow a trailer with your vehicle."
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Exactly. You have to make a decision yourself based on doubletalk.

Sounding more and more like Trump to me, how can one stupidly pretend to know the 'truth' when both it and utter falseness ('emergency' and 'I didn't have to do it right now' are diametrically opposed, or you don't understand english) are mixed in the same sentence? We do recognize that as a mark of insanity right?

One does understand the words yes and no and more importantly the vast chasm in between or they don't and what a witless life ensues then.

Forgive me for the politics, I just loathe an idiot..................I'll stop now.
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I would consider towing a small motorcycle camping trailer like those you see Goldwings pulling. They're light and will be mostly in the slipstream of your Versa so you won't be fighting as much wind resistance. Those shouldn't put much stress on your drivetrain as, for instance, a Coleman popup camper would.
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