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vaulter 03-11-2019 03:21 PM

beware shops scam
 
I wanted to flush my transmission oil so I called a local Nissan shop here in NJ. I told the guy over the phone that I wanted them to flush oil plus change transmission filter plus change the gasket, he quoted me $300. When I went there and right before I let them take over my car I told them I wanted the old oil filter and the old gasket back. he started mumbling that this car (versa 2009 1.8L) might not have a filter, and if it does it might be permanent and not replaceable, he also said that there is a drain plug and that in order to flush they don't need to take the pan down. Anyways, I was surprised how they conduct business, he quoted me for oil, a new gasket and a filter but ended up replacing only oil.

Versa is my first car which I bought used in 2018, I've owned motorcycles since I was 17 (I am 35 now). In motorcycle shops it's bad but not this bad... I guess because everything is in the open and you can see right away whats been done and replaced. My advice is always ask for the old parts just to make sure that they actually replaced them.

Alan_nc 03-11-2019 05:33 PM

1st, unless you have over 60,000 on the car you shouldn't be doing anything to the trans. You do have an engine oil filter, it's gasket it attached to the filter permanently. The filter is the standard spin on cannister. If the guy didn't know this basic information I sure would NOT let them do anything to my car.

amc49 03-11-2019 11:48 PM

OP is talking about trans not engine.

FYI, some few trans designs DO have trans filters that only can be gotten to with a complete case breakdown.

The mech wanted to not remove the pan, that can be because many pans glue on now (no gasket on them at all) and then re-gluing makes them leak like hell to get complaints with every one you do. Can't blame him for that. The original glue job happened with trans upside down and easy to get to and most importantly BONE DRY at the sealing surface. One should try to re-glue up a pan with trans oil dripping all over the place, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Guaranteed leaks everywhere and then customer comes unglued next. Hah, hah.

The filters don't need changing in the vast majority of the cars anyway, and never did. Customers were trained very carefully to think they needed it though (corporate brainwashing) and we are the lemmings there. ATX filters really catch very little for most of their lives, at least until the trans begins to come apart, then they get used bigtime. Until then they will only have a few specks of matter in them. They NEVER clog unless the trans is already coming apart, and you will know it already by then. Or you better have.

On a Versa with drain plug, first be glad you got one. Second, USE it to flush and leave the filter alone.

The difference in trans type makes a big difference in price due to the fluid type used. $300 good for CVT, waaaayy too high if a standard type ATX there.

60K is really too long to run the fluid and I don't care what Nissan says, any company with transmissions going bad right and left right after the first fluid change like these do..........well, I am not going to listen there. I'd be looking at 30 or 40 to change it instead. For sure if a standard ATX, the fluid is burning by then. I changed my standard ATX fluid last year (36K miles or so) with Ford fluid and works fine, saved money doing it too. Nissan fluid is too expensive. You really got no other choice though on CVT and locked into Nissan fluid there.

Ecate 03-11-2019 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amc49 (Post 287572)

60K is really too long to run the fluid and I don't care what Nissan says, any company with transmissions going bad right and left right after the first fluid change like these do..........well, I am not going to listen there. I'd be looking at 30 or 40 to change it instead. For sure if a standard ATX, the fluid is burning by then. I changed my standard ATX fluid last year (36K miles or so) with Ford fluid and works fine, saved money doing it too. Nissan fluid is too expensive. You really got no other choice though on CVT and locked into Nissan fluid there.

I have 90K on mine, I got it at 50k and I don't think the trans fluid was ever changed but I don't know.
I check the fluid regularly and it's still pinkish....do you think I should just leave it alone?

amc49 03-12-2019 02:42 AM

Not looking close enough at the fluid. I have never seen a red dyed fluid go that long without degrading.

There is no pink, the fluid is red then goes orange then brown and dead then. I do not abuse my cars at all and the fluid is orange and beginning to brown at 50-60K miles if you leave it in that long. Synthetic at that which holds original color better.

Ecate 03-12-2019 03:11 AM

I looked at it many times...it's definitely not brown. When I clean the dipstick with a clean white cloth it's actually pinkish...maybe orangish? ok, but def not brown or darker than that.
Maybe it was changed before I bought the car...but I don't know for sure and I have no way of knowing it.

Anyway...would you service it or leave it like that? It's a 4 speed automatic :)

thanks

vaulter 03-12-2019 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amc49 (Post 287572)
OP is talking about trans not engine.

FYI, some few trans designs DO have trans filters that only can be gotten to with a complete case breakdown.

The mech wanted to not remove the pan, that can be because many pans glue on now (no gasket on them at all) and then re-gluing makes them leak like hell to get complaints with every one you do. Can't blame him for that. The original glue job happened with trans upside down and easy to get to and most importantly BONE DRY at the sealing surface. One should try to re-glue up a pan with trans oil dripping all over the place, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Guaranteed leaks everywhere and then customer comes unglued next. Hah, hah.

The filters don't need changing in the vast majority of the cars anyway, and never did. Customers were trained very carefully to think they needed it though (corporate brainwashing) and we are the lemmings there. ATX filters really catch very little for most of their lives, at least until the trans begins to come apart, then they get used bigtime. Until then they will only have a few specks of matter in them. They NEVER clog unless the trans is already coming apart, and you will know it already by then. Or you better have.

On a Versa with drain plug, first be glad you got one. Second, USE it to flush and leave the filter alone.

The difference in trans type makes a big difference in price due to the fluid type used. $300 good for CVT, waaaayy too high if a standard type ATX there.

60K is really too long to run the fluid and I don't care what Nissan says, any company with transmissions going bad right and left right after the first fluid change like these do..........well, I am not going to listen there. I'd be looking at 30 or 40 to change it instead. For sure if a standard ATX, the fluid is burning by then. I changed my standard ATX fluid last year (36K miles or so) with Ford fluid and works fine, saved money doing it too. Nissan fluid is too expensive. You really got no other choice though on CVT and locked into Nissan fluid there.


Thanks for the great info in your post. I was too lazy to crawl under the car to check for the drain plug, I read on the internet that most versas don't have them... If I had known, I'd have done the labor myself. Nissan CVT tranny fluid is actually only around $150, which means they charged me twice the price for 15 minutes labor.
I bought the Versa with 92k miles and I don't know if the tranny fluid has ever been changed before, I didn't want to take the risk and decided to invest those $300 for the piece of mind.

Ebay sells a complete kit (CVT oil + filter + gasket) for $172: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Nis...97.m4902.l9144

amc49 03-12-2019 08:10 AM

If that color I would not mess with it but based on YOUR words there. If 'pink' does it have air bubbles in it? Or could be coolant leaking into it, which would do the same and death lies there. Never seen pink ever unless something wrong with trans.

FYI, CVT fluid is either blue or blue-green in color but just like the red the makers are lowering cost by using less and less dye. Meaning it is getting harder and harder to see the color change as well as simply determining how much fluid is on the dipstick. It can be hell now, I don't bother doing it on other than a very sunny day to be able to see it clearly.

Ecate 03-12-2019 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amc49 (Post 287586)
If that color I would not mess with it but based on YOUR words there. If 'pink' does it have air bubbles in it? Or could be coolant leaking into it, which would do the same and death lies there. Never seen pink ever unless something wrong with trans.

I took a picture, so it's more objective.

It's not brown or black, it'a light color looking orangish...after 10-15 minutes it turn to pinkish as it fades away.

The coolant is fine, it has the same light blue color and the level is stable. No air bubble, trans runs fine...I was just curious :wink

https://imgur.com/gyIBUuB

Thanks!

amc49 03-13-2019 07:10 AM

I usually wipe the dipstick off good first to remove any sediment from it then use a clean white napkin to lay the stick on where the oil is. The napkin or paper towel pretty quick shows any dark component of the fluid to tell you how much metal dust or sediment is in the fluid and the burning of it becomes easier to see too.


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