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I have seen some of the juke 6 speed going kinda of cheap on ebay and i was wonder does it just bolt right in? My versa is a 2016.
 

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I guess ill have to tread those water then. Once my warranty is up ill take a stab at it and post what I find.
 

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The '16 Versa uses a HR16 engine. The Juke is the MR16DDT, no exact pics yet to compare but looking at some service manual line work pics say the bellhousing area is different on the engines, trans won't fit. The starter area for sure is different, the starters are too. The 6 speed only came on the MR motor.
 

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That leades me to a new question can the bell housing be swapped or just change the starter out cause from what i found (going by ebay pictures but to be fair i haven't see both transmission from the same point of veiw) they seam identical (minus what you have pointed out about bell housing) . Plus just looking at cv axles they are both 26 spline.
 

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Bellhousings typically do not come separate now like in the old days, they are one piece with the trans cases in everything I pretty much know of unless some US iron still does it.

The starters do not interchange, they have different castings and one is 3 bolt and the other 2, the patterns there are different too.
 

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Ok good to know on the starters. But i have a few more questions.

According to this site http://mywikimotors.com/hr16de/
The hr16 is the same as the mr20de which technically makes it part of the mr family (i know its a wiki site but please bare with me)

I went on ebay and looked up some transmissions to compare to current patterns. (Ill post links with the picture mainly in quetion) but that got me thinking most of the CVTs are the same so if that bolt pattern goes from engine to engine (and going by the wiki site it fits the mr20) that would mean the 6 and 5 speed have the same bolt pattern as a CVT minis the starter (to be fair not sure about motor/trans mounts either). I also understand iam eyeballing it so it could all be off by just a hair and not fit but i figure why would nissan spend so much money to make it different. Anyway please have a look for your self and let me know what you think.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-2012-Nissan-Versa-1-8L-Nissan-Cube-5-Speed-Manual-Transmission-JDM/282919681290?fits=Model:Versa|Make:Nissan&hash=item41df53bd0a:g:3lAAAOSwfEVazSMz

This trans in pic 1 has that curve like the 6 speed but its a 5 speed. However the cv axle is diffrent (maby swap with a cube cv).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Nissan-Sentra-Manual-Transmission-Gearbox-tranny-3-6K-miles-6mt-WARRANTY/232788067327?fits=Model:Sentra|Make:Nissan&hash=item36334003ff:g:NP0AAOSwcfdbDy0i:sc:FedExHomeDelivery!85614!US!-1

This 1 in pic 4 it looks like the bell housing does come off but not sure.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-2017-Nissan-Versa-Manual-Transmission-5-Speed-RS5F91R-Sedan-72-436K/132798261480?fits=Model:Versa|Make:Nissan&hash=item1eeb64a8e8:g:-DoAAOSwu~5brUIc

Most detail versa 5 speed (fits my year).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nissan-Versa-Automatic-1-6L-1-8L-CVT-2012-2016-RE0F11A-JF015E-TRANSMISSION/173771254344?fits=Model:Versa|Make:Nissan&hash=item287592ea48:g:07EAAOSwoAVbYLqj

Just 1 with CVT showing bolt pattern.
 

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The HR motor is nowhere near the same as MR, you made the MR16DE have no reason to exist. The front of block and left side are totally different on the two engine types. Meaning that website is incompetent. Anybody surprised at that?

'most of the CVTs are the same so if that bolt pattern goes from engine to engine (and going by the wiki site it fits the mr20) that would mean the 6 and 5 speed have the same bolt pattern as a CVT ...'

Most of the CVTs are NOT the same. The last picced one doesn't even have a starter niche as the starter bolts into the trans case instead.
 

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Go to your last link (CVT) and use the SECOND pic instead of the first and then compare to Juke boxes. The Juke trans uses top bolt holes far further out on the bolt circle and even the second pic mentioned clearly shows the Versa CVT trans does not go out as far and one side is lopsided instead of even.

Even worse though is the starter mounting hole on the Versa CVT trans, you don't have it at all on the Juke trans, that one mounts to the engine block. Clearly the CVT and MTX are not the same bolt pattern if the next to last link is correct. The MTX shown there may well be much closer to a Juke.

Just comparing your next to the last and last link pics has the transmissions with wildly different bolt patterns, and on only one car type.
 

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And those wild different bolt patterns is what has me intrigued. I purposely left out that were the axles goes MT is different it is basiclly flush the CVT has a weird axle area. Something else i have found is there are holes were the tcase or axle suport goes but is unused on the versa. Idk if that something for me to go look into or not with other dead holes so to speak. But something else just hit me what is the ratios of the 5 vs 6? I cant find anything on that (other than the nismo vs nismo rs final gear only)
 

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It's possible that the 6 speed makes better use of the power band with each gear and that the 5 & 6 speed both have the same final gear ratio
 

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Having the rpm at 32-3500 is not doing that, the more gears you have the more mechanical advantage you have, you then gear the final longer so you get BOTH advantages. Gearing shorter like said there on a 6 speed is whacky, MTX always gets geared a little longer than ATX, and because they commonly have at least one extra gear. At least until CVT showed up, and if they gear CVT that long some engines will be wearing out faster, you don't drop them out of the torque band, that leads to lugging damage. ALL engines like to spin at least some and Japanese ones more than some. 2200 at top rpm for a long time? Not on mine if I have a choice, needs to be 2500 or better.
 

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Yeah that post is odd that like what iam at when iam doing 80mph (maby least have been on the highway in a while) but i agree with you on the need for a bit of rpm as to not lug the engine. Iam genna try a few thing and ask around and see what the verdict is for the other transmssions and put a post hopefully in the next week with my finding
 

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The juke i was genna test drive got sold so there go some of my research lol but i got on tge highway today and in 5th at 60 iam just over 3000 at 70 about 3400 and 80 3900. Iam genna try and test drive a new sentra with a 6 speed and see what the speed are with that
 

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Finally Found some ratio here are some pics with a link to the site (note i used the factory size tire 185/65 R15 for the size and that about 24 inches also the 5 speed is from a 2016 versa and the 6 speed is from a 2019 sentra)

http://www.apexgarage.com/tech/gear_ratios.shtml
 

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