Disconcerting attitudes

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rstolz

Discussion Starter · Apr 23, 2014

I'm not in the habit of starting threads, but I felt this needed to be stated.

I've read several posts commenting on the "piddly" nature of questions being asked on the forums here.

I find that disconcerting.

You can't build a a good, reputable technical forum without addressing the lowliest of questions with equal gusto as you would a question on the merits of tweaked injector pulse timing and coil pack dwell. Every car nut, modder, and gear head started out having to ask questions and learn from the ground up.

If you want to build support on a forum like this, you HAVE to take the smallest questions seriously. You don't start a community with high end tuners and technical projects, you grow them, starting with small questions, building a reputation for folks with general questions who become motivated and come back with more ambitions questions and projects

Folks like me, who are looking for place to talk versa, will look first to see what's being asked, and how it"s being answered. I want to know where the experts are and how they behave.

The Versa is a young model, especially in the US. It hasn't yet cracked the 10 year mark, and does not have that "sporty" persona that a car like the Fit, or Fiat 500 enjoys, so it doesn't draw as much attention.

It takes time for a community to discover all the nuances of a given model, and it's evolution. It takes longer to find all the ways to exploit the strengths and fortify the weaknesses.

The VW/Audi 1.8T is 16 years old, and we are still discovering things about that engine's engineering and ways to exploit its systems.

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Note-ified

· #2 · Apr 23, 2014 (Edited)

rstolz said:
I'm not in the habit of starting threads, but I felt this needed to be stated.

I've read several posts commenting on the "piddly" nature of questions being asked on the forums here.

I find that disconcerting.

You can't build a a good, reputable technical forum without addressing the lowliest of questions with equal gusto as you would a question on the merits of tweaked injector pulse timing and coil pack dwell. Every car nut, modder, and gear head started out having to ask questions and learn from the ground up.

If you want to build support on a forum like this, you HAVE to take the smallest questions seriously. You don't start a community with high end tuners and technical projects, you grow them, starting with small questions, building a reputation for folks with general questions who become motivated and come back with more ambitions questions and projects

Folks like me, who are looking for place to talk versa, will look first to see what's being asked, and how it"s being answered. I want to know where the experts are and how they behave.

The Versa is a young model, especially in the US. It hasn't yet cracked the 10 year mark, and does not have that "sporty" persona that a car like the Fit, or Fiat 500 enjoys, so it doesn't draw as much attention.

It takes time for a community to discover all the nuances of a given model, and it's evolution. It takes longer to find all the ways to exploit the strengths and fortify the weaknesses.

The VW/Audi 1.8T is 16 years old, and we are still discovering things about that engine's engineering and ways to exploit its systems.

on any forum there will always be those that feel they are beyond the rest of the users and feel that they shouldnt have to answer what they term "dumb questions" but they are in the minority and i for one have observed that this forum is mostly helpful, although sometimes we do argue over insignificant things, the majority of the time everyone on this forum gets along and are generally happy with their cars. In any case, dont let the few bad apples ruin your stay here, just sit back, relax and enjoy your stay

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robj80

· #3 · Apr 23, 2014

I have to say I agree with this 100%. Though I must also ad some people need to not get upset about what is posted, not implying you are here rstolz. If there is something you don't like just skip over it. What is important to one person is not to another. But that doesn't mean there isn't any other person on the forum that might find the topic useful.

This is obviously geared toward the oil fill thread. I find that thread more important than any of the plastidip, which suspension should I get, body kit threads that are dominating this forum. Even though it's a tiny bit of oil it is more the fact that there is a discrepancy in the manual and it varies by region. The fact that cars are being shipped with different filters in different places. Now say I am a new Note owner and I go to do my first oil change and I notice my filter I just got from the parts guy is significantly larger than the one on there? Do I just slap it on and risk my new $15k cars life? NO, first thing I do is hit the internet, in which I will come across the oil thread and see someone else noticed this and the new filter will work fine. I would call that a useful thread.

That being said I still enjoy all the mod threads and reading what you guys are doing. Some of the mods I don't understand what you are thinking and feel they are downright stupid but you won't ever read anything like that from me. Hell I will even encourage some of the things I don't like because it is YOUR car and not mine and everyone has different tastes.

Some other great threads are the broken coil thread, the FPR howtos, the MPG thread. The how many miles thread is great too because someone looking to buy a used Versa can look there and see that we are getting up there in miles and the car is actually pretty reliable. Other than the detonating MR18DE threads, which are here too for owners and potential owners to read and gain knowledge.

In closing, continue to post all the threads you want. All the threads you want input on and don't feel like you shouldn't post something because others might think it is dumb. Someone out there will be with you. If you ever do post something and later decide you don't want it up then ask a mod to remove it if you can't do it yourself.

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Versa12

· #4 · Apr 23, 2014

While I do support a "friendlier" community, there are a few things that irritate me rather quickly.

1. Asking questions that have been answered multiple times. I feel no deisre to assist someone who is too lazy to use a simple "Search" feature in a forum. I don't offer help and tend to ignore the post all together.

2. The OP getting annoyed that responses are taking too long. Forums are free and people who offer guidance or assistance can do so at their own pace....you should be lucky they are helping you at all and potentially saving you $ from diagnostic services.

3. Brand Loyalty without hearing the other side of the argument. I am a Honda freak to the max and have not been impressed by my Nissan at all in terms of having to get things fixed under warranty and the service I received from the dealership. It is stupid to flip out is someone says the versa is junk or hondas are junk. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and as long as they have actual first hand expeirence then their opinion is valid. Otherwise it is just a moron.....

4. Boo Hoo'ing. If you don't like a post either respond to it without causing a flame war or ignore it. No one is forcing you to be on a forum, read what everyone says, or agree with other people.

Those are my general thoughts on ANY car forum.

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rstolz

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 23, 2014

not upset, it's just disconcerting, a slippery slope, if you will. I'm not leaving, it's just a cautionary statement (memo?). There isn't that much activity here that it goes unnoticed. really the point is that you must realize that this is a young community, and answering seemingly simple questions is among the best way to grow it.

I'm here because this really is the best community for the model. I don't have big plans as yet for this car, but if I get my other project all buttoned up, as I expect to this spring/summer, The V might be in line for an MR20 swap not long after... as long as I can get it by the wife. And if that does happen, you can be dam sure I'll have The Nissan Consult III software at my side.

This is obviously geared toward the oil fill thread

yup

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Note-ified

· #6 · Apr 23, 2014 (Edited)

Personally just to add to what already has been said,I find it irritating when someone spams another person's thread with a whole bunch of complaints that have very little to do with a thread instead of keeping it to their own thread on the same freaking topic that they started to begin with.one thread on the subject is enough, we don't need multiple posts about the same complaint across multiple threads as it tends to make the forum more disorganized when it comes time for someone to search on that subject. as for the whole brand loyalty..well i've already said what i had to say about that in another thread so i'll leave it at that

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jswilson1987

· #7 · Apr 24, 2014

well honestly most of the times i dont answer is because its been covered fifty billion times

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07Versa6MT

· #8 · Apr 25, 2014 (Edited)

Lol ok bro, i'm sorry, i appologize for irritating you.

It's a forum, who cares?

Frankly IMO there isn't much to "discover" about Versa's, it's like an older Civic, just with a more modern electrical system and CAN architecture, at least that's my take on it. There's no mysteries with the mechanical systems, it's usually electrical related.

German cars are different, they are overengineered to begin with. Future serviceability is an afterthought to those engineers that design them. Anyone remember the 80's Mercedes cars with cellulose based biodegradeable wiring harnesses? Great thought that was. But then again, they figured the typical first owner is only going to own it for a max of 5 years then trade it in for a new one. By 10 years the harnesses start disintegrating, if mice haven't eaten it already.

If you think i'm bad, go over to allsentra.com, they're pricks. Especially the tuner guys, all dickheads.

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· #9 · Apr 25, 2014

07Versa6MT said:
Lol ok bro, i'm sorry, i appologize for irritating you.

It's a forum, who cares?

Frankly IMO there isn't much to "discover" about Versa's, it's like an older Civic, just with a more modern electrical system and CAN architecture, at least that's my take on it. There's no mysteries with the mechanical systems, it's usually electrical related.

German cars are different, they are overengineered to begin with. Future serviceability is an afterthought to those engineers that design them. Anyone remember the 80's Mercedes cars with cellulose based biodegradeable wiring harnesses? Great thought that was. But then again, they figured the typical first owner is only going to own it for a max of 5 years then trade it in for a new one. By 10 years the harnesses start disintegrating, if mice haven't eaten it already.

If you think i'm bad, go over to allsentra.com, they're pricks. Especially the tuner guys, all dickheads.

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malalex

· #10 · Apr 25, 2014

I suppose that I have been one of those that has ranted a bit about the quality and service practices of my first and last Nissan!
This is not to say that everyone should feel like me only that what my experience with this car has been is nothing short of atrocious!
I did write some of my frustrations on this board maybe hoping to understand why this was all happening. I solved it my way by returning to a brand of car better suited to my needs.

I tend to agree with this post but also some people are too sensitive to criticism that has merit and proof! In my case, I will never buy a Nissan car again but only based on my personal experience because in general, I could care less what others say as they do not speak for myself!

I take possession today and look forward to it! My Note has been an interesting car by all means but also a very bad experience. Those are the facts!

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SilverV

· #11 · Apr 25, 2014

I think some type of FAQ plastered on the main page could address many repeating questions like those related to the CVT.

The CVT is a different experience for sure and has many nuances that could be addressed all in one place.

I've asked my fair share of "dumb" questions like about the noise the ABS makes when it test.

It's a new car for many so naturally we all want to learn as much as we can quickly.

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