Thanks everyone! I'm not in a rust belt, but I think the car was before it came here. Looks like it was born in Illinois, even though it emigrated to Colorado. So, engine mount eh. I'll give that a try.
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So, two bits of good news, and one somewhat worrying uncertainty.
Good news number one, my parts arrived today, two days ahead of schedule, and that's awesome, since I have today off work! (well, I have tomorrow two, but if I spend Thanksgiving under the car, I'll likely be forced to sleep there by the family!)
Good news number two, my 6 speed manual gearbox version has nothing in the way of the forward bolt coming out there's literally nothing there except for a piece of the plastic splash guard. Clearly God drives a stick
Just to check, the bolt that causes the trouble normally is the one that is labeled "119 (12, 88)" in the diagram that scarecrowdjinn posted, right?
However, that bolt doesn't seem to have a nut on the back of it? It looks like it just screws into something captive in the subframe. Is that right? At first I thought someone had totally rounded it off trying to get it out, but looking at the other side, and the diagram, I think that it screws right into the subframe.
This might seem like a stupid question, but I'm lacking a socket for this bolt right now, and have to wait for my wife to come back to take me to buy more tools (yeah, I'm not normally into this level of car work!) So, I figured I'd ask while I'm waiting.
I have another question about that bolt. What do those numbers in the diagram mean? That is, what's the significance of "119 (12, 88)". I notice several bolts with that label, so I'm guessing it's a description, not an identity. But it would be great to actually know...?
Thanks again for everyone's help by the way, it's *really* a great relief to discover I'm not totally alone in my effort to fix this!
Good news number one, my parts arrived today, two days ahead of schedule, and that's awesome, since I have today off work! (well, I have tomorrow two, but if I spend Thanksgiving under the car, I'll likely be forced to sleep there by the family!)
Good news number two, my 6 speed manual gearbox version has nothing in the way of the forward bolt coming out there's literally nothing there except for a piece of the plastic splash guard. Clearly God drives a stick
Just to check, the bolt that causes the trouble normally is the one that is labeled "119 (12, 88)" in the diagram that scarecrowdjinn posted, right?
However, that bolt doesn't seem to have a nut on the back of it? It looks like it just screws into something captive in the subframe. Is that right? At first I thought someone had totally rounded it off trying to get it out, but looking at the other side, and the diagram, I think that it screws right into the subframe.
This might seem like a stupid question, but I'm lacking a socket for this bolt right now, and have to wait for my wife to come back to take me to buy more tools (yeah, I'm not normally into this level of car work!) So, I figured I'd ask while I'm waiting.
I have another question about that bolt. What do those numbers in the diagram mean? That is, what's the significance of "119 (12, 88)". I notice several bolts with that label, so I'm guessing it's a description, not an identity. But it would be great to actually know...?
Thanks again for everyone's help by the way, it's *really* a great relief to discover I'm not totally alone in my effort to fix this!
Belay that question on the numbers. I just realized that 119 Newton Meters is equal to 12 Kgf-M and 88 ft-lb That seems too much of a coincidence, so I'm going to believe that (at least unless anyone screams otherwise!)
That seems too much of a coincidence, so I'm going to believe that (at least unless anyone screams otherwise!)Oh, but wait, now I realize I totally misunderstood. scarecrowdjinn's observation about the bolt for #12 was referring to the vertical link (part number 12). I thought we were talking about the forward pivot bolt--because it has that number 119 (12, 88) and I mistook that for being what you were referring to.
Did I mention this is not within my normal range of car work. Sigh
Anyway, I did want to replace that vertical (I bought it). So, perhaps that's still going to give me trouble... I'll take another look.
Sorry for rambling and being so inexperienced.
Did I mention this is not within my normal range of car work. Sigh
Anyway, I did want to replace that vertical (I bought it). So, perhaps that's still going to give me trouble... I'll take another look.
Sorry for rambling and being so inexperienced.
Thanks, I understand now!
I have succeeded in my replacement of the control arm. I didn't bother with the vertical in the end (though I might yet go back to it particularly if they tell me that they still can't do the wheel alignment for any reason). Two things I discovered:
- as I mentioned, with the six-speed manual, the troublesome horizontal pivot bolt is a non-issue. There's nothing in the way
- I got hold of the workshop manual that scarecrowdjinn had shown a picture from and discovered that the white cross on a black circle background (the one that looks like a philips/crosshead screw) that shows up in the image means "do not reuse this part". So, I'll be putting a new nut on that vertically oriented pivot bolt fairly soon
Other than that, guess what? All the experience I got on the left side will soon get practiced on the right side. I took it in for alignment after finishing the left side, and they told me the ball joint on the right side is shot too (just nowhere near as badly/obviously as the one on the left, for which the arm itself was also bent about 20 degrees!)
Anyway, many thanks again for all the help, encouragement, and explanations!
I have succeeded in my replacement of the control arm. I didn't bother with the vertical in the end (though I might yet go back to it particularly if they tell me that they still can't do the wheel alignment for any reason). Two things I discovered:
- as I mentioned, with the six-speed manual, the troublesome horizontal pivot bolt is a non-issue. There's nothing in the way
- I got hold of the workshop manual that scarecrowdjinn had shown a picture from and discovered that the white cross on a black circle background (the one that looks like a philips/crosshead screw) that shows up in the image means "do not reuse this part". So, I'll be putting a new nut on that vertically oriented pivot bolt fairly soon
Other than that, guess what? All the experience I got on the left side will soon get practiced on the right side. I took it in for alignment after finishing the left side, and they told me the ball joint on the right side is shot too (just nowhere near as badly/obviously as the one on the left, for which the arm itself was also bent about 20 degrees!)
Anyway, many thanks again for all the help, encouragement, and explanations!
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