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I asked my salesman the other day when do you have to change the transmission fluid for my CVT 2018 Versa. He said I never have to change it because it is a sealed transmission. Is this true?
 

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A lie. It changes around 60,000 miles. Check the maintenance book. Those salespeople are so full of crap.

While all transmissions are sealed, they DO lose small amounts of fluid over time by slinging it out as mist past the seals. Why you hardly ever see a dead bone dry transmission. As well, all mechanical contrivances put wear particles into their operating fluid, impossible not to. You change fluid to get clean fluid into trans and the worn metal out. Only an idiot would suggest that a transmission is lubed forever, it is again impossible.

And if an axle seal goes bad, you can lose all of the fluid in a whopping hurry. Not common but it does happen. Same with the front seal inside, it goes bad on a few too.

Likely that you have no dipstick to even check the fluid level, Nissan has removed most of them. It sells more cars when the fluid gets low and the transmission burns up. Great idea, Nissan.

What does one expect in a new Trump world, there is no truth at all and the lemmings love it.
 

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From the 2018 owners manual.

Chart says to inspect the CVT fluid every 10,000 miles and...

(2) If towing a trailer, using a camper or a car-top carrier or driving on rough or muddy roads ,inspect CVT fluid deterioration at NISSAN dealers every 60,000 miles (96,000km), then change the fluid if necessary. And if the inspection is not performed, change (not just inspect) CVT fluid every 60 ,000miles (96,000km).
 

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A lie. It changes around 60,000 miles. Check the maintenance book. Those salespeople are so full of crap.

While all transmissions are sealed, they DO lose small amounts of fluid over time by slinging it out as mist past the seals. Why you hardly ever see a dead bone dry transmission. As well, all mechanical contrivances put wear particles into their operating fluid, impossible not to. You change fluid to get clean fluid into trans and the worn metal out. Only an idiot would suggest that a transmission is lubed forever, it is again impossible.

And if an axle seal goes bad, you can lose all of the fluid in a whopping hurry. Not common but it does happen. Same with the front seal inside, it goes bad on a few too.

Likely that you have no dipstick to even check the fluid level, Nissan has removed most of them. It sells more cars when the fluid gets low and the transmission burns up. Great idea, Nissan.

What does one expect in a new Trump world, there is no truth at all and the lemmings love it.
True, salesmen are generally uninformed from any sort of maintenance or mechanical know how. Anything to sell a car and hit those numbers! haha

amc is correct. They might be sealed but still need servicing specifically if the transmission was abused and the fluid is burnt and lacking any sort of protection properties it once had.

Most transmissions have a vent tube to allow pressure from heat build up to escape. If the vent is clogged, then this is when the pressure builds up enough to allow the fluid to push past the seals. It is always entertaining to see people drive through deep water and not sustain engine damage, but then wonder why their transmission is toast a few days or weeks later from water entering the vent tube. In any event, my theory regarding the sealed transmission is really an attempt to push out most of the smaller independent shops that don't have access or ability to check fluids without a dipstick or a crazy expensive scan tool. We were a corporate owned repair shop and would not work on any sealed transmissions or vehicles that didn't have a dipstick for the oil. The liability was far too great to trust a hourly guy to guess on an oil change or even an experienced tech to grenade a $5k transmission. After 100k miles and the car being out of warranty, its an easy money maker for the dealer to swap in a new transmission.

Not sure what Trump has to do with a sealed transmission or car salesman...:rolleyes5::rolleyes5:


It is interested that the 2018 talks about towing a trailer. On my 2012 sedan, it states IIRC that installing a hitch on the vehicle voids that warranty completely. They must have figured out and improved the CVT's substantially.
 

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Trump effect...........truth is not truth.............believe ME not them.

Trailer?

'It is interested that the 2018 talks about towing a trailer.'

Many OEMs dropped talk of towing after many long years of saying not to do it with smaller 4 cylinder cars, they often do not have the torque to safely tow. After marketing depts. realizing that they were missing a lick there at selling new cars (because suddenly you can tow, albeit dangerously) they went back to either saying you can or not mentioning it at all to create plausible deniability. They have to when the competition does even if they know it can damage the cars.

Just like going from no mention of ever changing trans fluid to then bringing the subject back up, it is a constant war between those who want the cars to seem unbreakable and those who want to include fuller info to make customers more aware of the hazards. Companies internally argue about that stuff endlessly over the boardroom tables.

Like here, you are supposed to 'inspect' the fluid but how to do with no dipstick? A direct push to go to the dealers and why it's that way. More corporate mindgames, and all tilted at making more money.
 

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Even though it mentions towing a trailer in the maintenance section the owners manual in another section states "Do not tow a trailer with your vehicle."
 

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Exactly. You have to make a decision yourself based on doubletalk.

Sounding more and more like Trump to me, how can one stupidly pretend to know the 'truth' when both it and utter falseness ('emergency' and 'I didn't have to do it right now' are diametrically opposed, or you don't understand english) are mixed in the same sentence? We do recognize that as a mark of insanity right?

One does understand the words yes and no and more importantly the vast chasm in between or they don't and what a witless life ensues then.

Forgive me for the politics, I just loathe an idiot..................I'll stop now.
 

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I would consider towing a small motorcycle camping trailer like those you see Goldwings pulling. They're light and will be mostly in the slipstream of your Versa so you won't be fighting as much wind resistance. Those shouldn't put much stress on your drivetrain as, for instance, a Coleman popup camper would.
 

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Exactly. You have to make a decision yourself based on doubletalk.

Sounding more and more like Trump to me, how can one stupidly pretend to know the 'truth' when both it and utter falseness ('emergency' and 'I didn't have to do it right now' are diametrically opposed, or you don't understand english) are mixed in the same sentence? We do recognize that as a mark of insanity right?

One does understand the words yes and no and more importantly the vast chasm in between or they don't and what a witless life ensues then.

Forgive me for the politics, I just loathe an idiot..................I'll stop now.
Meh, I like Trump but am a person who can discuss such things in a professional, adult, and non-emotional manner while also recognizing the fact that every politician has said and continues to say stupid things. If referencing the border emergency, please note that Obama stated the following as a senator, "We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.". Of course, this is assuming you lean left. Other than that, I do find it amusing when Trump (or any other president/politician) is brought up with no real relevance. But, I digress and too return to the subject at hand.


I would consider towing a small motorcycle camping trailer like those you see Goldwings pulling. They're light and will be mostly in the slipstream of your Versa so you won't be fighting as much wind resistance. Those shouldn't put much stress on your drivetrain as, for instance, a Coleman popup camper would.
I would assume it is to protect themselves from people who know nothing about towing and proceed to overload the vehicle. It would be hard for Nissan to prove the car was overloaded by simply having a tow hitch attached. Sure, they can see extreme wear in the CVT and possibly motor but was that from a defect or pulling too much weight. Not fair for those who simply want to add a bike rack or some other minimal attachment but in these days, you have to cover all bases and courts have decided that the burden of proof is on the dealership/manufacture when denying warranty claims to customers.
 

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'I do find it amusing when Trump (or any other president/politician) is brought up with no real relevance.

A perfect example of what I talk about. You think you understand but you really don't, you fail to grasp the magnitude of the problem and what most do. The clumping in with others shows you cannot differentiate factuality whatsoever.

I'll leave you alone, you have problems enough as is.

FWIW I stay firmly in the middle, it is the ends that kill you.
 

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Factual differentiation.

'It would be hard for Nissan to prove the car was overloaded by simply having a tow hitch attached.'

Not at all. If the hitch is class 2 or higher the warranty is voided on the spot. They are commonly marked.

Facts DO matter.
 

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lol Oh boy, politics crack me up and intertwining them to hitches and sealed transmissions is mind blowing - not to mention the inability to control your emotions so much that you have to resort to personal attacks upon myself. But, doesn't bother me one bit as facts and emotions are 100% not related and those that can keep them differentiated and separate are the true purveyors of a neutral outlook.

Anywho, Magnuson-Moss act CLEARLY set precedent that it is the dealer responsibility to show that an aftermarket part caused the damage. The ENTIRE burden of proof is on the manufacture to show that you actually pulled and overloaded the vehicle - the connection between the failure and "act" must be thoroughly shown and proven.

Prime Example, you focus on a class II hitch. Are you implying that you wouldn't be able to pull a wagon of hay with the use of adapters and overload the vehicle with a Class I hitch? A hay wagon has nearly 0 tongue weight. That is the point I was making - Nissan has no way to prove whether it was a bike rack or an overloaded wagon. So it is far easier to stop all liability by issuing such a broad clause in their contract/manual to defer all responsibility.
 

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'Magnuson-Moss act CLEARLY set precedent that it is the dealer responsibility to show that an aftermarket part caused the damage. The ENTIRE burden of proof is on the manufacture to show that you actually pulled and overloaded the vehicle - the connection between the failure and "act" must be thoroughly shown and proven.'

I would fervently hope that one would recognize that all that means absolutely nothing until you have already paid at least enough to get the company into a court of law. Before that the company can do whatever it wants to and they do.

Tongue weight is meaningless if the hay load is too heavy, any tow is a movement of MASS, that does not change with tongue weight. The tongue weight simply modifies the physics of it but cannot make the mass disappear.
 

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'Magnuson-Moss act CLEARLY set precedent that it is the dealer responsibility to show that an aftermarket part caused the damage. The ENTIRE burden of proof is on the manufacture to show that you actually pulled and overloaded the vehicle - the connection between the failure and "act" must be thoroughly shown and proven.'

I would fervently hope that one would recognize that all that means absolutely nothing until you have already paid at least enough to get the company into a court of law. Before that the company can do whatever it wants to and they do.

Tongue weight is meaningless if the hay load is too heavy, any tow is a movement of MASS, that does not change with tongue weight. The tongue weight simply modifies the physics of it but cannot make the mass disappear.
And again, you ignore the difference of your comment of a class II hitch and and class I hitch and having 0 relevance to the discussion of a hitch voiding the warranty. Nothing was said regarding court proceedings cost but if it were to end up in court, my comment is still fact and the burden lies on the manufacture. Nissan can deny responsibility but if you hire an attorney that specializes in Lemon Law and the associated legalities such as the Magnusson-Moss act, you can include your court costs in the demands.

Scenario 1:
Single axle trailer attached to non-moving Versa with 50,000lbs. Weight is on the single axle and is transferred through the tongue to the receiver on the Versa causing structural damage, the hitch assembly possibly ripping from the body, shocks going through the mounts, and complete devastation to the rear alignment specs.

Hay wagon attached to non-moving Versa with 50,000lbs. Weight is on both axles of the wagon and there is no weight transferred to the Versa other than the 20 or 30lbs that the actual tongue weighs from the hay wagon. Absolutely no damage is caused to the Versa.

Nissan looks at both Versas and can see one is physically damaged from being overloaded. One has absolutely zero signs of being overloaded.

Scenario 2:
Single axle trailer attached to moving Versa with 50,000lbs. Weight is on the single axle and is transferred through the tongue to the receiver on the Versa causing structural damage, the hitch assembly possibly ripping from the body, shocks going through the mounts, and complete devastation to the rear alignment specs.

Hay wagon attached to moving Versa with 50,000lbs. Weight is on both axles of the wagon and there is no weight transferred to the Versa other than the 20 or 30lbs that the actual tongue weighs from the hay wagon. Nissan moves and begins to pull the hay wagon with 50,000 pounds.

Nissan looks at both Versas and can see one is physically and internally damaged from being overloaded. One may have damage to the engine and transmission but Nissan has no proof as to what the damage came from

Prime example: Look at ANY of the world's truck ratings. Why is there a difference in payload and towing capability? It is FAR easier for a vehicle to tow weight than it is to physically haul and share the weight. Remember the Tundra commercial pulling a spaceship or one of the multiple videos of trucks pulling trains? They can do it but it will destroy the vehicle.

I'll say it again. Nissan would have NO way of knowing a vehicle was overloaded when pulling a hay wagon if all traces of the hitch were removed. If the Versa was pulling a trailer that shared the load with the Versa, there would be obvious structural damage. THAT for the third time is the point that is being made - it isn't always easy to see what the true cause of damage is from so Nissan says, we will just remove ourselves from ALL liability.

Simple.
 

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Really.

You DO realize that the ECM will have evidence of the much higher historical TPS/throttle % used there right? It will be way beyond normal use. Converter slip alone will scream towing.

Wipe the ECM and that makes towing even more suspect. And what about the so-called Nissan PERMANENT codes now? You know, the ones that do not disappear at a wipe. There's a reason for that.

Go to court and Nissan will arrange everything they can to make your costs so high you give up, what the lawyers do first. The lawyers that are already on retainer and free since they are already paid for. The court will be relocated and other things to make you add up your costs, you have to win to hope of recovering those.

The car will be taken as evidence if you insist on court and engine and trans taken apart and then easy to show towing. The parts wear abnormally, I could tell one instantly once inside engine even though people denied it. If engine smokes a high likelihood of it if too early for the mileage. A backup 10 minute compression test shows it too. As does a dead rear suspension.

'It is FAR easier for a vehicle to tow weight than it is to physically haul and share the weight.'

You tow because it won't fit inside the car, only the unlearned don't grasp that. If one cannot grasp the engine still sharing the weight that cannot be helped here. It was already explained.

As to the commercials, anybody with any mechanical knowledge knows when a vehicle can and can't pull something, the train and rocket thing is pure fiction, I guarantee trans or chassis damage even so much as trying to move some of those TV loads. The vehicle will NOT even move. Some of us HAVE towed before.

'If the Versa was pulling a trailer that shared the load with the Versa,...'

One either gets this or they don't. You SHARE more load when you tow. You CANNOT avoid it, it is IMPOSSIBLE. If not there would be zero need of any added trailer weight ratings, they would all still be zero. Not so is it? THINK. The ratings are NOT JUST FOR THE TRAILER, they also impact the CAR.
 
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